Wednesday, June 6, 2012

Unreal Woman

Basinger places Monroe, along with Greta Garbo and Hedy Lamar, in the category of Unreal woman, a category that represented what men wanted.  The Real woman category, on the other hand, represented what society wanted and was played by actresses such as Ginger Rogers, Myrna Loy, and Jean Arthur.  Most of our other women (Hepburn, Davis, Stanwyck) fit in Basinger's Exaggerated Woman category, which is a mixture of the real and unreal--women who, in Basinger's view, were women who women need.  
  In hearing Monroe's story, we realize the dangers of being an Unreal woman, that Monroe wanted to exceed the roles she's most remembered for, but had difficulty convincing producers and the public that she should.  In a sense her life fit into the pattern we've seen with the pattern of our earlier characters who finally learn to choose their proper role.  In Some Like It Hot, it's Joe (Tony Curtis) who finally learns to be human as he watches Sugar (Marilyn Monroe) sing she's "through with love."
Marilyn Monroe's birthday was June 1.  We've celebrated many more of her birthdays since her death (Fifty now) than she ever had in the thirty-six she celebrated.  Doris Day, who we watched in Pillow Talk, was born two years before Marilyn, but still continues to celebrate her own birthdays (April 3).  In the popular imagination they fit in opposite places, yet in the films we watched both Monroe and Day played women who must coax apparently "reluctant" men into sex (though we never actually see such happen of course).  We could conclude both were "safely" sexual, Marilyn only barely so and Doris very so.  Both are icons, yet both suffered in different ways for being so.  As we know, but rarely admit, it's much better to worship icons than to be one.

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  1. Questions for the panel:

    1. Roger Ebert suggests that Monroe's character, Sugar, is completely oblivious to her own sexuality in the film. "Poured into a dress that offers her breasts like jolly treats for needy boys, she seems totally oblivious to sex while at the same time melting men into helpless desire." Do you agree with Ebert's assertion, or does Sugar consciously use her sexuality to her own advantage?

    http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20000109/REVIEWS08/1090301/1023


    2. This film obviously explore sex and the unwritten rules surrounding the once taboo subject. Besides sex and sexuality, are there other themes the writers or director are trying disseminate?

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  2. My question for the panel was if they recognized the two main men's relationship as being much like a married couples relationship, they shared food, money, and shelter, and if so, what they thought about their relationship in regards to gender roles

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    1. I don't know what the men's relationship says about gender roles, if any, but I agree that they did act like a couple. I noticed the film referenced (or at least suggested of) the LGBT community at least three times with the men's relationship, dressing in drag and then at the end with the man in the boat with "nobody's perfect."

      Do you guys think this was purely for comedy and/or mocking of LGBT people? Or something deeper?

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  3. I also wanted to say that I have never seen Mariyln outside of a photograph and her mannerisms are certainly captivating. I loved to watch her sleepy eyes and the personality of her character.
    It was interesting to me that, at the end of the movie, everyone was accepted for who they were underneath their clothes. Mariyln and the rich elderly man accepted the two men dresses as women without even having the usual middle to a romantic comedy of "getting angry" only to get back together. They accepted the men right away.
    I also was wondering what everyone thought about the serious violence being mixed with the comedy?

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    1. I too was quite surprised at the end when the wealthy man and sugar just accepted the two men dressed as women. I sure did let out a huge laugh when the wealthy man said “nobody’s perfect” That cinched it for me with a large smile and acceptance for all the comedy of cross-dressing men kissing men and the entire shoot-um- up gangster show mixed with romance. The violence didn’t bother me this day and age, but I imagine if I would have lived in the era the film was brought out I could see the reluctance to view the film due to the blood and violence with the guns. There are some places in the country that probably would have loved the movie, where gangsters still reign. Fun movie; that I thoroughly enjoyed

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    2. I loved the film's ending, too! I felt the problem many had with it was this clearly for-the-era taboo understanding: "Wait a minute! Two men can't be in love!" Although it was a comedy, it did touch on several issues that we are still struggling with today: gender assignment and homosexuality, especially.

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    3. On Lauren's question about what we thought about serious violence being mixed with comedy- I found that in this movie I really didn't mind it, probably because they seemed to be shown in segments rather than mixed through the entire film. Up until the very end the two, violence and comedy, stayed separate, and I think I was able to appreciate both of them more. If Wilder had tried to mix the two, I'm not sure I would have liked it as much.

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  4. It makes me wonder, if raised in today's world, if Marilyn would engage in a Britney head shave, or some of Lohan's antics. She was seemingly troubled as some of our stars are, and in today's amplification of bad behavior in Hollywood, would she be right there at the top of the list of actors who act out?

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    1. I think part of the fascination with Marylin is because of the era she did grow up in and maybe because she was such a private person. If she was a modern day celebrity and she did act out like a Britney or Lindsay she would not be as idolized as she is. I do not consider Lindsay Lohan an American icon as I do Marylin Monroe, and seriously doubt that she will be as famous as Marylin in 50 years.

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    2. certainly not. Lohan was just the immediate example i could think of.

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  5. It's hard to make interera comparisons, but Marilyn usually didn't act out publicly that I recall. Most of her problems took place in private or on the set, which at that time was the same thing.

    As for the acceptance at the end of Some Like It Hot that's the comic mode, which allows for change and repair. In comedies everything and everyone (who matters) can be fixed--and the implications are they all will be.

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    1. I feel like that is Karl's point above, that she did not act out besides apparently throwing fits sometimes on set or whatever. Today, it is much more likely for a star to act out it seems compared to in her era. Would she act out? Maybe but maybe not its hard to tell but acting out and doing crazy and stupid stuff seems to be much more new age for Hollywood celebrities.

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  6. The other evening, Jane Fonda was on Letterman and she spoke of Marilyn. The two actresses were in the same acting class held by Lee Strasberg. Fonda said that during the class, Marilyn didn't take part in any of the scenes being studied. She also said that Marilyn was very aware of her celebrity and felt a responsibility to her fans. Marilyn was also scared that those fans would find out she was a fraud.

    Marilyn and Fonda at that time had the same press agent and this agent told Fonda that Marilyn would be two hours late for a publicity engagement because she was so nervous, she was physically sick.

    I think this gives some insight to a very insecure and troubled young woman. It's too bad that someone within her sphere of influence could not offer her some sort of assistance. But I think that probably with her early life, she would never be the self confident type of person that her celebrity required.

    Jane also spoke of her career and her upcoming movie. She has been in 53 movies. When she first began, she was a "method" actor, but she no longer use that style of acting.

    You can view the entire interview at
    http://www.cbs.com/late_night/late_show/video/?pid=L_H3_bFX86PyvyJuHhU0DzzmfeWqBc5I

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  7. My question was about the use of disguises as different identities and how that effected the way the two friends interacted with others.

    To answer Karl, IMO I don't think she would have acted out any more than she did, but the public would just know about it more today than back in the 50's/60's because of TMZ, Entertainment Tonight, or others. To think that Marilyn would make news for walking out in public with sweatpants on or every time her and (some player named) Joe stepped out to eat is a much different atmosphere than the one she lived in.

    Also to make a correlation with Marilyn and Britney, in the scene in The Seven Year Itch with the subway grate, Marilyn wore two pair of underwear to make sure nothing was seen while Britney wore none to...well you understand.

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    1. Another correlation is between Marilyn and Madonna in the song “Diamonds are a girl’s best friend.” Madonna loved to dress and act like Marilyn in an era of Madonna’s career with the staircase of men and the center actress descended the stairs after being hoisted by the men. Both women wore diamonds and I believe furs, along with similar hair styles and make up. I believe they also both had the facial mole or beauty mark.

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  8. I find it hard to believe that some one who seems so well liked, had a problem with acceptance. The use of any kind of drug used in acting, seems to be the end of the "star".

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